I have a drivers license, a SSN, several pilot certificates and a few other tax stamps that bear the name of my straw man.
I mention this because getting them changed has been impossible.
Interestingly, I just opened a pre-approved credit card application that addressed me by my true name, however the name on my credit card is my legal fiction.
All I would like to certain of in the future is that my property will be mine and not taken away by big brother or a bunch of lawyers (is there a difference?).

Living outside societal norms comes with some sacrifice. The question is how far do you want to go and what are you willing to give up to get there.

For example: If you want to ask the governments permission for the right to travel then your going to be subject to all the rules and regulation they prescribe including transmuting your name into a corporate fiction subjecting you to said rules. Society largely accepts this method so it is the defacto law so to speak.

The real question is are you willing to put up with the inconvenince and sometimes downright hassle (or being hassled and even possibly arrested) of driving without a so called license and incurring the wrath of ignorant police and governmet officials if you get pulled over? Trying to explain your standing to someone who has no clue and doesn't care and has often been trained to ignore such standing and try and railroad you into the system etc.

Anytime you apply to government for their permission you are in effect acknowledging their authority to subject you to their rules/laws etc. There are several schools of thought on all these things and there is no consistency on how regional and local officials deal with these things. Some folks have had success in staying out of the system with little or no hassle others have had nothing but trouble it really seems to depend on who is in charge in a particular area.

Also if you do some of these things and end up getting hassled etc. and think a bunch of people who see things similarly will come to your aid think again. They are trying to stay off the radar also and will not be there to back you up. I have seen it time and agian over the last 20+ years.

The best policy IMO is to stay off the radar as much as possible and not draw attention to yourself. Sometimes that means compromising with their defacto laws and not raising a bunch of red flags by insisting they do things they way you know is right. IOW it really boils down to picking ones battles.

Keep researching you really have only scratched the surface and there is a lot to learn to protect ones interests but there is no silver bullet as some will try and tell you and they are usaully selling something.

Blayne

well here I go:

If everyone bows to the King then no one can complain. End of story right?

How many more licenses and pemits will you apply for and how many more times will you continue to pay increased taxes before you say no. You say you are happy giving 50% of your income to pay off the private bankers? And are you prepared to lose your social security benefits that you paid into your entire working life? I do not know about anyone else but I call that theft. Some say they want to stay just under the radar but The Man is watching your every move anyway. Surprise! Are you Ok with them reading you emails? and pulling you over while driving for a "routine" check or being arrested when all you did was attend a peaceful protest? and being fondled at the airports? Big Gov knows how many guns you have, what shampoo you buy and where you ate dinner yesterday. They have access to all your phone conversations too. If they want your land for military purposes they can come and take it. They can throw you out and give you "fair market value" for your property. What if you do not want to sell? Will they kill you for it? Think about it. Then maybe the reality will sink in and finally something will get your attention to finally start saying NO.

If a few people fight and win, then others may see it is possible and jump onboard. Our forefathers made a stand and bloodshed was spilled. "Give me Liberty or give me death," said Patrick Henry. Americans need to get passionate about restoring our Republic for it is slipping away fast. The Man wants compliance. Most folks are complying quite
nicely. What a great plan for this elite "Club".
Oh yeah it is a great Club.... but you and I ain't in it!
People are paying a bunch of Mobsters for their freedom. They beat people into compliance with fear tactics. These are the real terrorists.

ok..I am done. :oops:

Kola

Curtis, if you open to re-locate just about anywhere, do some homework on the states and counties and that very few restrictions in regards to permits, coding, taxes and other bureaucratic-flaming-hoops-to jump-thru. Alaska is very free. I have recently been reading about New Hampshire and Vermont wanting to break away from the Union, eliminate the Federal Government Goons and become their own stateship. Maybe some of the other folks can pitch in and help ya out.

btw: if you are interested Michael Badnarik has a great seminar about freedom,The Constitutional,Bill of Rights, etc. He is funny and entertaining but yet he simplifies his message wonderfully. It will give you a good foundational understanding of our rights. Fom there you can branch off to other things, if you so choose. I think it is easier to take little "bites" and work your way up. I have chosen to first take on the issue of my "right to travel" and one does not need a drivers license to do so. Next year my license expires and this will be first step at saying NO. I will not be fingerprinted to renew my license nor will I pay a registration fee. I will carry insurance though. I am preparing myself now with enough "ammo" to defend myself when I get pulled over.

This is great (there are 7 one hour sessions, just watch the first session and it will make you hungry for more) : http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=michael+badnarik+constitution+class

btw: if you are going to pay cash for your land you should research the bogus nature of land titles and learn how to get true ownership of your property. I am not at that crossroad yet so I do know all the details. If you look, the truth is out there though.

Kola

hers a tidbit fer ya Curtis, My county told me I have to install outlets in my home even though I told them I didnt want electric OR solar power. They told me I can't build a home without it. I told them it was going to be a hunting cabin and a weekend thing and that I would use coleman lanterns. they said NOPE.

I am not ready to build yet and at the present time I have not decided whether or not I am going to comply with the bureaucratic bs..
I am in the process of educating myself and finding as much info as possible. If I find enough good reliable info that I can bank on, I will be ready to slay some dragons... Not an easy task but for me personally it is one worth fighting for.

Kola

Hey Kola, did you ask if you had a strong religeous belief against using electricty could you build your house without electrical outlets? And, does thier code say you must have the rest of the electrical system in your house? Just wondering.

I was talking to a guy in the Laundromat last winter. He was riding a bicycle. He said that he didn't want the government to know what he was doing or where he was going... and then it got worse...

I also saw a guy in the Ballard (an area in Seattle) Safeway that had duct tape and tin foil hat, tin foil around his head, gloves taped to his jacket, pants taped to sox-shoes...etc... I am sure he had his issues with the government...

My son thinks microwaves are banned in Russia and my sister-in-law has stated that she believe the government using the magnetic strip in money can track it location...

As a retired federal government worker let me state the obvious, NO ONE CARES!.

Dave

I think an old aluminum colander with a chin strap would be more effective. Tin foil hats seem to tear too easy. :wink:

Tom
nobleknight
class 01-15-05

Now why would that be neccesary? HMMMM.

and when is enough enough?

next..maybe license their horses? apply for a horse driving license too? but first you have to pass a horse riding road test before you can mount ol Thunder....then you might have to get ol Thunder inspected every year..you know.. kick the hooves and check under the tail etc..and of course all this for a "small" fee". and all in the name of safety and security.

NOW, that is all I will say... 8)

Kola

Well there was so much in this thread I just could hardly let it go by without a couple of words.
If the poperty is on the county tax log, and you build on it without following their guidelines they're going to nail you if/when they find out. If it's on the tax log they have laid claim to it and are a silent third party equity holder in the property, those lending credit to the corporation (U.S. et al) are also equity holders in the property. You are not...you have the equivelant of usury rights in the property (i.e. you can use it for as long as you want so long as you use it the way we say it's to be used, as in residential/commercial/etc....and of course as long as we don't need it.) There's an old saying in the tax protestors circles; "If you think you own it, stop paying taxes (rent) and see how long you keep it."
In reference to the term "law" as was used many times in this thread, none of this is Law, it's color of law in the form of codes, statutes, regulations, ordinances, ect. and there are 60 million plus of them in effect today with more passed every day.
Tin foil hats...lol lol lol, you have to admit, that is some funny, funny shit. I agree, foil would serve more in a conductive capacity than as a deflector of any sort, lead would work...as would copper mesh (faraday cage). In our laughing at these folks though, most of us are overlooking that little acronym H.A.A.R.P. It's real, it's in Alaska, and not only has the ELF (extremely low frequency) waves it produces been proven to be able to bend the ionosphere, but those in the medical professions have long since known the effects upon the psyche and all other bodily functions which are dependant upon natural electrical pulses when you bombard a mans body with these waves.
Microwave ovens. While I don't know if they are, or ever were, banned anywhere, I suppose Russia would be a good candidate considering the Nazis invented the microwave (radiomissor) ovens specifically for the invasion of Russia in an attempt to deal with the logistical issues of cooking fuels. There are however likely a few things most people don't realize about them.
They operate on AC, or alternating current. Which means the polarity is reversed continually (in a microwave, millions of times per second). Molecules, especially water molecules, have a polarity. Kinda like the opposing sides of a magnet which is what binds water molecules together. When placed in a micro wave the polarity of these molecules is likewise rotated millions of times per second, which is the movement which creates friction... which in turn creates the heat. This un-natural movement with such verocity causes damage to the surrounding molecules often tearing them apart or deforming them, technically called structural isomerism. So in other words, it's changing the make up of what you're heating up on a molecular level...which is not good. I do happen to use a microwave about every day, just thought some of you might like to know the facts.
Acquiring land in your Christian apellation. If you are using Fed res notes you've already started off on the wrong foot. You can't "pay" for anything with FRN's, they lack intrinsic value and are backed by debt. What's actually happening when you use them is you are discharging your obligation to pay into the national bankruptcy, a benefit the Fed is extending to you. Accept the benefit, pay the grantors price.
They use adhesion of contracts, and quasi contracts. Every Judge recognizes this and will look for a way to attach them to you. All he needs is one, and if he can find it, then everything else applies. Do you have a checking account? Then a Drivers License is applicable.
It's all very simple. Their game (racket) is a take it or leave it kinda deal, you can't pick and choose the parts you want, it's all or nothing. What they are offering is limited liability, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Protection is a form of liability "am I not my brothers keeper", then we are liable, have the responsability of, protecting our neighbors. But of course the vast majority would rather pay someone else (Police, govt, ect.) to do it, and if they fail in their task then we are not liable. Limited liability. If we're not paying attention and hit our neighbors car, we are to be responsible for those damages. But again, the vast majority would rather "pay" someone else (Insurance company) to hold that liability for us, because of course we can have nicer things this way. Limited liability. But ahhh, isn't that serving mammon? "Ye cannot serve God and mammon". So the root of the problem is unquestionably which God are we serving? If you are half in and half out, taking what you like out of the system while trying to negate your obligations to pay the price they have placed on their benefits, then you will always be found in a dishonorable position with them, and God views you as "luke warm". If you choose God (the God of Abraham) they will persecute you, scripture says so. To this we should all be saying "who cares".
Instead of insurance, issue silver bonds.
Don't register your car and cancel the certificate of title (it's a form of limited liability).
There is land out there that is not on the county tax roll, those lands they won't take because in the fictional color of law world where they reign, it doesn't exist. However, if you tie a power line to it, get a permit for building on it, driveway permit, or ask their permission in any other way to do something with it you will have just put it in the fictional world. You can't use a title company either (limited liability) and there's no GW or QC deed either because those would be recorded with the County. Pay for it with substance (gold,silver, labor) or if the only claim to ownership is some obscure treaty, then study it's chain thouroughly...issue a patent, file notice, and hold it in allodium never putting it in commerce.

...or maybe I just got my foil hat on to tight ;)
Forgive the length group,
His humble servant,
Greg.

addcoinc@yahoo.com

Great post Greg!

I have not built my loghome yet and I am in the process of learning all I can to get true ownership of my land. Currently, I am studying about the "right to travel" as I will soon be forfeiting my drivers license. Then I will get ownership of my vehicle.

I too, am well aware of the HAARP issue, ELF waves, microwaves, and all EMF waves and I believe they are all detrimental to health. Toss in other frequencies from power lines, cellphones and WIFI and we have quite a lot of invisible energy zooming through our atmosphere and into the ground . I would like to mention MRI's (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) which operate by changing the spin of electrons within the human body and IMO they are a threat as well. Yet the medical community assures us they are harmless. The human brain operates in frequencies and generates an electrical field. This controls our nerve impulses. Over the years there have been many studies involving the interruption of the neurotranmission systems of human and animal life and some are quite interesting. If this type of stuff tickles your fancy, look up "Schumann Resonance."

I do not do drugs and I do not drink alcohol. I am a self-thinker and question many things others blindly accept. I have not been diagnosed as paranoid/schizophenic but I must admit I am anti-government. BTW I am anti BAD government but pro GOOD government. But in the the Land of BushCo I am considered a "combatant resistor" or "criminal extremist". Yes, according to The Mans' new definitions I am a "terrorist". I attend peace rallys, eat organic and hug trees so I am on their list. And let me tell you The Man does care because they are now photgraphing indivduals such as I AND they are keeping logs. Think I am nuts? Watch the news report from Denver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvJInyILd0

With that being said and people making judgments these are often difficult subjects to discuss. I will try and speak for LHBA (and they can correct me if I am wrong) but this is a logbuilding forum and there are lots of other forums to go further into details. The topics presented can be quite upsetting to some folks here. We are all here to learn about building loghomes but there are a lot of members with different thoughts, ideas and viewpoints regarding religion, race, politics, vaccines etc and it has the potential to create ill feelings amongst a great group of folks.

Some of us here discuss these topics because they become entangled into our building process. My first visits (and posts) here at LHBA were to question whether or not I could build my home without a permit. But there are times where the discussion goes too deep, and far off the "well-travled roads", and some folks get offended. Sarcastic comments get made and the next thing you know we have the potential for a nuke bomb on LHBA forum.

Some of the folks here (and more people than you think) really have a passion for liberty and freedom yet have to "pull up on the reins" for the sake and respect of the other LHBA members. There is a lot of diversity here and a great bunch of people from all walks of life.

I enjoy discussing these types of things because I think our Republic is crippled and We The People need to wake up and take this country back. Feel free to email or PM me a message.

Kola

As a Canadian, I live in a country that is a socialist (not communist) society (along with England, Sweden, France, etc, etc) where the government essentially takes care of it's citizens more so than the U.S. We take care of our less-priveldged, our seniors, our children. Furthermore, Canadians know a lot more about the US than Americans know about Canada. Having said that here's a few observations (just my opinions)

I think most members here want to build their own house (log, stick, whatever) in order to save money. Building a loghome with your own labour is a huge cost-saving. There may be a minority who wish to build their own house in the wilderness, hunt their own food and live on the fringes of society but, I think generally an owner-built log house is more of a statement of pride and satisfaction and not so much of a political statement.

The political, economic and social problems the US is experiencing stems from a combination of wrong spending of tax dollars allocated to a huge military (along with other stupid spending like the NASA program) and the fact that the citizens don't really elect the government representatives. Corporations (with their own self-interest) elect representatives from the president on down by contributing money (a legal form of bribery) thru lobbyist groups. Furthurmore the current two-party system (democrats/Republicans) virtually excludes anybody with opposing views making any impact in an election. What is really ludicrous is that the political party system permiates all the way down to the municipal level. The US government is not a democracy, it is kingdom and the only real choice is which "king" wins....a Democrat or a Republican.

Every individual should pay their rightly share of taxes. Tax avoidance is illegal but minimizing taxes paid using loopholes, deductions, etc is perfectly acceptable and is everybodys right to pay only their fair share. Most people appreciate sending their children to school, driving on safe roads, and enjoying other amenities of the infrastructure. Having said that, when the government spends huge coin (like the military) in areas that one doesn't agree with, it is natural to rebel but that rebellion will only be successful if it is within the system.

It is interesting how those that do rebel, tend to cite God's law versus secular law yet it's the same "God" majority that Bush courted in winning his election.

Building permits do not ensure a level of quality but they do ensure a measure of safety and standards, both for the current homeowner and for future homeowners of the same house. Even if a building permit is not reqired, people should build to Code standards because to do otherwise is just asking for trouble.

In Canada we have a huge amount of government wilderness land (Crown Land) and at one time any citizen could "claim" a portion of the land if they agree to build a structure of a minimum size within two years of claiming. I don't really know if that still applies here, but I do know that their are perils involved with living on wilderness land. Besides the obvious of living in a remote location, does that person have clear and proper ownership of that land. How about oil and mineral rights. How about Native peoples land claims. How about present or future Easements. Certainly playing a crap-shoot game with one's home.

Anyone who thinks that the government is constantly monitoring the citizens is paranoid and delusional. The simple fact is that neither technology nor manpower nore enough money is available for the government to monitor the activities of the citizens on a constant basis. That's the stuff of Hollywood movies but it just isn't reality. If anybody believes that a satellite is focused on them 24/7 and watching every move they make (and there are people that believe that is the case) is sadly mistaken and living their lives in fear and paranoia. Having said that, certain things are monitored like the internet. It is a fact that various "key words" are monitored but even then, the manpower and resources required to follow-up are limited. Certainly, if a person sends a letter to a Congressman and threatens harm, then that person will be "flagged", but who's fault is that.

Life is too short!. We should build our homes, raise our families, enjoy what life has to offer because it will be over way too soon. Peace and harmony is what is needed, not guns and bombs. That is the canadian way. Americans say that we are too polite, too timid.....but I can tell you that we are happy, wealthy and wise. I hope that never changes.

Just my humble opinion. EH!

The North American Union will never happen.

First, let me state that Canadians view Americans as our friends. We generally luv the American people and I'm sure they would luv us too.....if they knew a bit more about Canada. The US/Can border is the largest undefended border in the world and has enjoyed free and open crossing without the need for passports or Visa's. Of course there are security gates to check who's entering but that is merely a formality. We speak the same language, have the same historical roots (British), similar laws (based on British Common Law). But there are also different styles of democratic government (Canada is a parliamentary system), a different social attitude, and a digression in the value of living.

If you ask most Canadians if they would like to join the US, the answer is a hugely major NO!. This sort of theoretical discussion comes up around these parts ever once in a while. That said, nobody here wants to be isolationist either. The two extremes (amalgamation or isolationism) are both not palatable.

A few years back the NAFTA agreement came into being signed by one of our Prime Ministers who is probably now one of the most hated PMs in Canadian history. Essentially, the US wants Canadian oil. Is it a coincidence that the Bush family are oil magnates. It seems to always be about oil. Funny how that is, whether it's the Iraq war or the NA Union, the hidden agenda always is about oil.

In Canada we value our freedom as do American citizens. I really do believe that the citizens of the US are the real strength and it's unfortunate that the US government, US military and US mega-corporations seem to have their own agenda. The US citizens want to live long, happy and productive lives.....the mega-corporations want to make more money at the expense of the citizens. If you haven't gathered, I am not a big fan of the huge conglomerate mega-corporations. As an example, pick General Motors. Does anyone still believe that GM is an American company. No, there are a world global company. They have no loyalty left to the USA. They will move production (and jobs) in the blink of an eye to any country that has cheaper labour rates. Same goes for the mega oil companies. Here's another example. Ever buy any electronic equipment lately. All the parts are made in China, Korea and various off-shore countries. Sad, sad, sad.

The big advantage in Canada is that with a parliamentary system, the elected representives are much more accountable to the citizens. There are more than two political parties (there are 4 main ones), we do not elect a president.......the Prime Minister is just the leader of the winning party. There is no "lobbyist" system which is probably the single biggest drawback to the US system of democracy. Actual registered card-carrying members of a political party are few. And we can turf out a political party when they do wrong pretty easily. as an example, Brian Mulroney (mentioned earlier as the hated PM) lost the next election. Not only did he lose the election but his political party (Conservatives) were literally wiped out....how is that for justice.

KOLA:
I do know for a fact that some dwellings are not permitted to have electricity or running water. A hunting cabin I used to visit with my grandfather was that way. We had to pump water by hand, cooked over an indoor wood stove and there was no indoor plumbing which was how it qualified as a cabin.

Part of the curiosity that got me to thinking about this post originally was how to streamline my cost of living as I got older and still enjoy a reasonable standard of quality life.
The reason being is that we all wind up on some sort of a fixed income and taxes and cost of living increases eventually diminish a standard of life that a person becomes used to. I have watched this happen over and over with the elderly.
My goal is to get set up living off of the grid and not having to buy my stuff back from the government each year.
Taxes to run a society are understandable (roads, schools and care of the invalid).
Taxes to support the hedonistic excess of a top heavy inefficient sloth-like bureaucracy yielding imperceptible immeasurable results while rewarding free riders are what get me going.
I think the bottom line here is accountabilty and what am I getting for what I am paying for.
The log cabin concept provides the individual with a tangible goal and not a carrot on a stick at the end of thirty years.

Rumble:In all due respect: for both our sakes I hope you are right! :)

Curtis: Yes I have to agree with your comments and I too am looking for "simple living" methods. And if we do not plan for it ahead of time it won't happen. BTW What areas have restrictions against well water and electric poles?

In regards to bureaucracy: I really do not want to fight it. I just want to do my own thing and be left alone. I go back and forth on my decisions about building. One day I wake up and decide to follow the rules and the next day I say "screw it". It puts a real damper on my free spirited nature when I always have to bow down to the King.. or else.
I may decide to never build my loghome and live in my tipi for the rest of my days. I have been kicking that around as well. Peace of mind is priceless.

Cheers!
Kola

I have enjoyed reading this thread.
You sound like a real "common sense" man, Rumble. Something not so common these days! LOL. Best wishes to you and your wife in all your endeavors.
Thanks for the synopsis on Canadian government and health care. I frequently hear about the horrors of your healthcare system. Nice to see some facts.

Greeting group, a quick comment addressing Canada.
I was once told "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to."
I knew the answers to the questions I asked Canada but was curious to see if anyone else would catch it (specifically refering to Canada being presented as a soveriegn Country, and no one being above the PM.)

If they are sovereign, why is anothers picture on their currency?

The Coronation of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II in the Abbey Church of St. Peter, Westminster, on Tuesday, the second day of June, 1953

IV. The Oath
The Archbishop shall minister these questions; and the Queen, having a book in her hands, shall answer each question severally as follows:

Archbishop: Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

Queen: I solemnly promise so to do.

Let there be no question, the PM is not at the top of the pyramid.

Be Blessed group.
When the truth is stranger than fiction, and thereby causes the masses to believe the lie. The 1% who know the truth are sure to be ridiculed.

Freedomfirst....you are a funny guy, I must admit. Sorry for not posting earlier....vacation time Retired, but we still get away someplace....nice to get away!

The Queen of England hasn't ruled anybody for quite some time. She doesn't even rule the United Kingdom. Even during World War II, it wasn't King George that was calling the shots (no pun intended)....it was Winston Churchill.

Prior to 1967, Canada was known as the Dominion of Canada, but even then, the Queen was more of a figure-head. In 1967, Canada formed it's own constitution with the symbolic gesture of having our own flag.

I think what is being confusing is to know the difference between government and tradition. Traditions, protocol, and ceremony are a good thing. Just ask anybody from a European country where the centuries of history have given them a rich heritage. problem in North America (canada, US, mexico, etc) is there is very little historical heritage (excluding the native Peoples). It's even worse in the US where the country basically purged all the history related to Britain.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not of british decent (but my wife is of Irish decent). But I do appreciate the British heritage. I also appreciate the french heritage that the province of Quebec enjoys.

Canadians are friends with the American citizens, but we are also very strong Canadian nationalists. There is something called the old British Commonwealth which are countries that were under British rule during the old British Imperialism era. Those days are long, long gone but it's nice to know that there are countries that share a very similar heritage and tradition...Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Barbados, Bahamas, etc, etc (53 countries)..."The Commonwealth is a unique family of developed and developing nations, a voluntary association of independent sovereign states spread over every continent and ocean. From Africa to Asia, from Pacific shores to the Caribbean, the Commonwealth's 2 billion people make up 30% of the world's population and are of many faiths, races, languages and cultures."

Freedomfirst.....you can't just plunk some information out of context, post it as fact, and profess to know the truth. And that's a fact!

Yes Pony.. and we will ALL be Ameri-cons..I mean Americans with the new North AMERICAN Union.

btw NAU is already in motion.

Kola

A big powwow in Montebello with Bush, Mexico leaders and Canadian leaders concerning NAU. At the last minute, it was closed to the public and Canada gov refused the thousands of petitions against NAU/SPP.

Watch Canada as it has now becomes a police state just like the USA. It appears the gov does not recognize what the free people have to say, nor do they care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILTtIGVRS9k

Don't folks call americans "american people"?

ie "Today the american people voted to impeach George W Shrub"
or "we, the american people have a right to carry weapons"

??
Kola

I agree Gamma..its like American Cheese and French fries.

heehee
kola

http://www.youtube.co