Considering solar power for our cabin

06/03/2009 - 15:58
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Hi all,

I am attending the course in a few weeks time and just wanted to get an idea of whether it would be feasible to use solar power when we eventually build, i.e. cost effectiveness and practicallity. We will be building our cabin in Trinidad & Tobago West Indies when we can afford to and the spot where we have our land is exposed to the sun all year round, we have two seasons, summer season for 6 months and rainy season for the other six months, being a tropical country the sun still shines in the rainy season. I know that this is probably out of your jurisdiction but you guys seem to be in the know about these things. Any advice most welcome! :-)

Shark and bake queen, counting down the days to the course and to changing the rest of my life!

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06/06/2009 - 04:03
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Solar power in Trinidad & Tobago

Buy the book; Sunshine to Dollars.
All practical application by an engineer.
No theory, or "Here's what I think you should do."
The book is cheap and there are practical solutions
for solar power.

-Rick

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After that, you were just "well prepared"."

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06/06/2009 - 05:01
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Solar is HOT!!!

Shark and Bake Queen wrote:
Hi all,

I am attending the course in a few weeks time and just wanted to get an idea of whether it would be feasible to use solar power when we eventually build, i.e. cost effectiveness and practicallity. We will be building our cabin in Trinidad & Tobago West Indies when we can afford to and the spot where we have our land is exposed to the sun all year round, we have two seasons, summer season for 6 months and rainy season for the other six months, being a tropical country the sun still shines in the rainy season. I know that this is probably out of your jurisdiction but you guys seem to be in the know about these things. Any advice most welcome! :-)

Shark and bake queen, counting down the days to the course and to changing the rest of my life!

Solar power is easy, affordable and really cool. The real beauty is that you can start with whatever you can afford and add onto your system whenever you care to. Subscribe to Home Power magazine or go to most any good library and peruse old issues. Unless there is some kinda weird tariff issues this one is a no-brainer.

You'll wanna check out solar water heating also.



06/07/2009 - 19:26
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A few suggestions

Solar electric production is only economically effective/practical if grid power isn't immediately available. Nothing comes close to affordable as grid power. But if you don't have it available, and from what I've been learning, I offer a few suggestions. You can start small and build up, but a few things should be followed whenever possible.

1. When you decide on a particular panel, stick with it when adding on. Mixing panels can be done, but it is a pain to efficiently integrate the system.

2. Plan your voltage choice based on the future of your home. Almost all cases will have a growing system, and along with it, an increased bank voltage to overcome cable and system size restrictions. Planning a higher voltage is never a bad idea.

3. Choose good batteries, and care for them like your life depends on it. Like panels, when you choose one, stick with it. You can add on, but it isn't the best thing to do. If you are adding on, only do so by adding a complete string. Don't intermix old with new in a string.

4. Get an MPPT charge controller. They cost more, but squeeze many more watts out of the panels. The cost is easily offset by being able to buy less panels and still get the same amount of watts in a day.

5. And finally, it always easier/cheaper to conserve than it is to produce. Find ways to reduce your energy demands and you'll end up keeping money in your pocket.

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06/08/2009 - 10:48
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Thanks guys for all you your

Thanks guys for all you your suggestions I will certainly keep all of this in mind

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06/14/2009 - 18:34
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Considering solar power for our cabin

Man, you nailed it Rod!

Might also add; "More Power to You" by Skip Thomsen.
The book is based on generator power, but if you have
solar, just also plan on introducing a small generator
system someday. Even if you never have a generator
the book is still worth its weight in gold.

-Rick

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"What good fortune for those in power
for people who do not think. -Hitler

"You're "paranoid" until something happens.
After that, you were just "well prepared"."

"The sad fact is, our gov't may very
well impede our ability to survive."



06/14/2009 - 20:00
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Solar is great if it's cheaper than connecting to the grid

I totally agree with Rod Reidnauer. If you can put in a decent solar system for less or the same amount of moola that it takes to connect to the grid it make perfect sense.

I plan to build using the "Light Green" method if it's green and it saves me green I'll do it. Being green just to be in the in green crowd with no regard for cost is just as bad as the Hummer crowd in my humble opinion.

An example with easy to understand numbers vs. what it may actually cost...
If the solar system cost $12,000 and you can build utilizing the grid, using economically sound practices so that your electric bill averages a $100 a month it would take 10 years to recoup the cost of your solar system. Of course if your batteries only last 5 years and the charge controller dies after 7 years. Then hail destroys your solar array your way behind in the ROI department.

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06/15/2009 - 08:59
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I will try and get hold to

I will try and get hold to the Skip Thomsen book - I was thinking of generators - thanks

With regard to the cost of solar vs grid, I wont know what the comparisons are until we move back to Trinidad. Our main concern is the course then money to build.....one mountain at a time :-)

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06/15/2009 - 15:58
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good price for PV

Hello everyone. does anyone know what a good price PV might be? and does anyone know what the average efficiency of the systems are? I read the stats on one system and it said 17%. seemed pretty in-efficient to me!
would appreicate any info anyone can give. thanks very much!



06/15/2009 - 23:28
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PV Panel price

You can build your own for about $105 / 66 watts.
Look at green power science.com

-Rick

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for people who do not think. -Hitler

"You're "paranoid" until something happens.
After that, you were just "well prepared"."

"The sad fact is, our gov't may very
well impede our ability to survive."



06/15/2009 - 23:33
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Here's the link for building

Here's the link for building your own 18 -20 V,
60W panel

-Rick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zy3ELxwdtE&feature=channel_page

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"What good fortune for those in power
for people who do not think. -Hitler

"You're "paranoid" until something happens.
After that, you were just "well prepared"."

"The sad fact is, our gov't may very
well impede our ability to survive."



06/16/2009 - 00:41
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greenpower "science"

I don't really like the videos, as they seem to be a chance for "Dan Rojas" to parade his wife in front of a camera (she is easy on the eyes), that and he's kinda a retard, in my opinion. That being said, this video is by far the best I have seen of theirs. Watch it to the end (or where the "bloopers" start), they warn you that it is not really that easy and you have to count the casing costs and time to string them together and seal them.

Put that together with Rod's earlier point about keeping the same panels for the whole project, and you get that you should either do all of them diy or do none of them diy.

Some members believe that the price is coming down. I don't really see that since the value of the US dollar is sliding now and I believe it is on the precipice. Anyway, my advice is to listen to rod. go solar only if cheaper than grid. if you are within 1/8 mile of grid it will generally be way cheaper to go with the grid.

If you decide to go with solar, then make sure you tabulate all the costs, and decide what you want to buy--you'll want to stay consistent on the panels and the batteries (and only buy the latter all at once). $4/watt is a good price, I'd buy them if you can.

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06/16/2009 - 00:56
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very cool and THANKS StressMan

found them for $2.50 a watt! BUY BUY BUY! we won't be stacking logs til summer 2011, but we'll be all set!

thanks again!



08/31/2009 - 18:49
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45 Watt Solar Panel

Didn't someone recently find a 45 Watt solar panel for a great price somewhere?

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08/31/2009 - 19:21
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solar panels

yeah. I think it was Stressman in 'HF coupon' topic started by Steve.



09/01/2009 - 00:30
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Speaking of solar panels...

Speaking of solar panels... I'm a complete n00b at this topic, but I've been trying to read Home Power Magazine and some other things to get up to speed.

I've been formally trained in basic electronics (USAF bomber systems tech years ago), but I'm having trouble getting my head wrapped around the basics of solar calculations. I've printed out my detailed bill showing my usage for the heaviest month of the summer down here in MS (July), and I want to use that info to estimate the costs of replacing the gridpower 100%. Does anyone know a good site that gives some basic configuration examples for us novices to better understand how many panels (varies based on output, I know), what kind of controller/inverter we need, etc.?

DGC



09/12/2009 - 18:27
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Great questions

I'll ne interested in reading what others offer. But I also want to mention that the power use in a log home will be significantly different than a stick built home. But your basic question is the same for me.

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09/16/2009 - 07:48
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Conserving wasted energy

rreidnauer wrote:
5. And finally, it always easier/cheaper to conserve than it is to produce. Find ways to reduce your energy demands and you'll end up keeping money in your pocket.

An easy way to reduce demand is to walk around your home in the dark (be careful lol) and any item that has a small glowing LED light is an energy drain. Examples might be vcr, cable box, tivo, printers, etc. Read an article that claimed (sorry cant remember the reference) that many of these electronic devices will consume 1/3 the power they use when "ON" in their "Standby Mode". One suggested way to eliminate this power drain is to plug them into a powerstrip or the on/off flip switches to cut off the power when not in use. Just a thought.