Dreams and Ideas

02/23/2005 - 03:35
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I had a thought, we all have a (homesteading/etc.) plan or ideas of what we are going to do in our lives, with our land and building our homes. Or that we are already doing. It may be neat & inspiring if we could hear some of those individual dreams, ideas plans here... just a thought. anyone agree? Steve L.



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02/24/2005 - 03:44
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Sounds like an interesting thread to me, Steve. :D

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02/24/2005 - 10:04
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Sounds good why don't you get the ball rolling? ;)

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02/24/2005 - 23:26
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Re: Dreams and Ideas

stubborndad wrote:
I had a thought, we all have a (homesteading/etc.) plan or ideas of what we are going to do in our lives, with our land and building our homes. Or that we are already doing. It may be neat & inspiring if we could hear some of those individual dreams, ideas plans here... just a thought. anyone agree? Steve L.

I'd like to sell a couple and move to Brazil. :) I'd probably not build a log house when I got there, though. Too cheap to buy a nice house already built.

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02/25/2005 - 02:52
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dreams etc.

Well, we (myself,wife and four kids)have 11 acres in central NY. and we are finishing a ag. building for temporary living. (Barn with apt./loft on top and shop on bottom.) For the last 5 months we have rented this house(moneypit) in town while we build the barn. We have lived rurally for the last 14 years or so but never have done more than living on several acres with some sort of traditional dwelling. We have read tons of info, networked with lots of people with the homesteading mindset, and live simply. I mean like grind our grains, homeschool, homebirth, home business, milk cows, large gardens, compost etc. etc. On this 11 acres, it is completely off the grid. we built a 440' drive way, and our solar set-up is hooked up and working. It's in a insulated 8x8 shed. We have 1 panel now that supplies our batteries through our inverter. It has been plenty of power for running any tools and air compressor for several hours. I have it wired and ready for the next set of solar panels as we go along, to see what is needed to live there. Our well is running off our large outdoor generator Kohler 8.5 and will get that through the inverter later. The barn/apt. will have a compost toilet. We plan to start building a log home spring 2006. We are preparing the land to do some small scale organic farming, and organizing our ideas for the layout of outbuildings, pond, horse pasture, chicken house and so on. We will initiate these ideas while we live in the barn for a while. My wife teaches workshops on homeschooling, school curriculum work & personal growth. We have had some teenagers come to help in the barn building and I think that it will become a habit, I mean kids coming to learn different things. Whether it's building, farming, homesteading, animal husbandry, woodworking and lots of fun! We have had the honor to have young individuals enter our lives in many ways. It's been very helpful meeting local farmers, guys with mills & other homesteading families. They Have been a blessing in so many ways, with their ideas, friendships and helping hands. WHEW! anyone still awake? :lol: So. I guess we fit into the self sufficiency/reliance group. If there are any questions about what we have accomplished please feel to ask. Steve L.



03/01/2005 - 01:57
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Wow, Steve--

Talk about your dreams and goals!!! Sounds fantastic to me! Good for you all. :D Can't wait to watch you guys put it all together.

Sara :D

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03/02/2005 - 03:08
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Thanks, I think that I spent more energy on writing those thoughts here than on most of our projects! :lol: Steve L.



09/25/2005 - 23:45
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Hey Everyone,
I'm new to both this forum and the "homesteading mindset" as I saw it refered to in another post. I think my plans are pretty simple and might be unrealistic/ignorant, but things seem to already be working out. I know that this thread has been "dead" for a few months, but I could really use some input on how to plan realistically, because I'm having trouble making up my mind and I don't feel like I have all the information I need to make informed decisions or even to ask intelligent questions. My plan is pretty simple and straightforward, but it's also long-term, so I need some serious advice on how to proceed.

To start with, I've just interviewed for a job based out of a "remote office", so I might be working from home and traveling 2-3 days per week (I'll find out this week if I got the job). I'm also planning on starting an online business (selling continuing education courses for medical professionals which I will research and write) this is a high-income, low-budget but extremely-time-intensive business for me to start.

As far as living frugally, I am paying off my debt and it will take 12-24 months depending on how miserly I want to be. (I'm more interested in building an emergency fund than paying off old debts right now.) I've found a low-rent rural home in NC that will allow me to quickly save money for both land and an old singlewide mobile home. I could have enough saved to buy an acre or two by January and I've already found a few inexpensive sources for trailers, but I am thinking of saving more money for land and/or making a downpayment on 5-10 acres and paying it off quickly. I'm not sure what's the best route to take, but I'm leaning towards buying a lot of acreage since prices are going up quickly, and I may never be able to afford to buy so much land in the future. I also think that by getting the trailer and putting it on my land, I can at least start working the land this spring, purchase the trailer by the end of the summer, and begin building my cabin as soon as the land is paid off .

I plan on taking the cabin-building class this year as early as possible (will probably pay for the trip with frequent flyer miles) and then I'm going to begin to gradually accumulate all the hardware I need to build the cabin. I would like to build a passive-solar cabin that is powered by a grid-tied solar power system with battery back up. I plan on buying solar panels and mounting them on the roof whenever my budget allows for it, the idea being to start off with a few panels and eventually convert to being 100% off-grid as time goes on.

I'm interested in buying enough land to grow a crop of corn or soy that is large enough to refine and make my own personal supply of biodiesel and/or ethanol (don't know if that's realistic - using unrefined vegetable oil for diesel-fuel might be more pragmatic, and I don't know what crops will grow well in NC) and I'm investigating the possibility of starting a nursery and/or a "pick-your-own" kind of farm as another source of income.

Last of all -and this is where I'm totally 100% clueless- I think I can pay for the land and pay for / build the cabin and be debt-free within four years... I want to know if it's possible and logical to then turn around, have the home appraised, and borrow against the equity I've built up in order to finance the purchase of enough solar panels to go completely off-grid once the cabin and landscaping are complete.

Now that I think of it, I might also be able to refurbish the singlewide when I'm done with it and sell it for enough money to start off with several more solar panels than I had originally anticipated.

ANY ideas/feedback would be appreciated, especially regarding what to do first and what crops are suitable for refining into vegetable oil or biodiesel. I'm mostly concerned that if I don't prioritize and plan correctly, I could end up trying to do and pay for too many things all at once - and end up with nothing to show for it. I know that this post is very long, but it should be obvious by now that what I'm lacking is direction and focus. I don't know where to start!

Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance for your reply.



09/26/2005 - 06:45
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What to do first!!

Well, Gabe,
I don't know how old you are, your web site says 70, so I don't know if I am very qualified to be giving you advise. But, I will do my best. I lived in Willow Springs, NC. for 8 years. It is about 40 miles south of Raleigh on Hwy.40. I can tell you for a fact that the farmers south of Raleigh where growing watermelons,cattle,pigs,corn and the #1 item was sweet potatoes. Aside from tobacco, the soil is perfect for sweet potatoes and feed grass for cattle. I moved back to Maryland in 1998 when my mother had a stroke, but at that time land south of Raleigh, Willow Springs, Fuquay-Verina, Rawls and Angier was very inexpensive. You might have to go a little further south or east now. Stay away from Durham and Chapel Hill. That is prime land. With the way Raleigh is growing, in 20 years, land to the south will be part of the city and worth a fortune.
As far as what I would do first, I would buy as much property as you could comfortably afford. Find a cattle farmer or other farmer willing to lease the majority of your property for growing feed grass or corn or whatever. Move your trailor onto the property and let him make your payments. Farmers down there where always looking for property to lease. Work your day job and work on your web business on nights and weekends, but, DON'T LET IT INTERFERE WITH YOUR FAMILY LIFE!!!
Let your wife help you work on your web business with you. If she doesn't know how, teach her. A family working together towards the same goals has a better chance of staying together. After the land and the trailer are paid for, take a year or two to stockpile as much money as possible. Then take a year off and build your log cabin. Take one acre of your property and subdivide it nto two half acre parcels. Chose an acre as far away from where you built your house as possible. And build two more log cabins. Make them look different of course, and sell them at a huge profit. If they turn out nice that is. If not you can stil rent them out. Either way you make a decent income. Your dream home is now paid for, your land is paid for, you made a large profit on selling two homes or a steady income from two rental properties and a farmer is leasing your land. Keep an acre or two for your garden and green house. And retire, keeping your internet business if you need to. Depending on how many acres you purchase, you could always sub-divide more and build more log cabins. Now you have tons of time and tons of money to spend on your family and start your little ethenol venture, which, by the way, is super easy to produce in your back yard in a still, from garden and kitchen waste. Don't forget the explosion risk. And it is still legal to do in North Carolina, unless they changed the laws in the last 7 years. Don't rush things. All of this could happen in the next 5 to 10 years. Don't forget to keep your family by your side and active in all of this.

Good Luck, Morpheus62



09/26/2005 - 15:40
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Thanks for all of the great advice, Morpheus. I'm 35 (BORN in 70) and I don't know why I didn't think of leasing the land to farmers. I also assumed that building more cabins would be too time consuming for me to afford to do that. I'm going to have to print off your post tonight (when I get home) and keep it for future reference.

As for my family, well you're right about one thing: "A family working together towards the same goals has a better chance of staying together. " That's precisely why my marriage is over. Without getting into details, I no longer have a "family life" so to speak, other than my visits with my daughter. But that's a topic for another forum...

I've watched the price of land in NC skyrocket in the past 5 years. South-eastern NC - the area you mentioned - is still very reasonablly priced, but my daughter / wife are in north-central NC near the border with VA, and I love the Greensboro/Winston-Salem area. Land to the north of that area is still fairly reasonable but not as cheap or plentiful as in southern NC. I don't know anything about Rawls, but Willow Springs is starting to be hyper-developed - apparently it's being marketed as a good place to raise a family.

And yes, the raleigh-durham-Chapel Hill area is out of control. The real-estate market is starting to show signs of over development there in the Triangle, but the land is still being developed (due to banks and too-easy commercial credit, IMHO) and people are refusing to buy condominiums and older housing since they can have new homes buil for just a slightly higher monthly payment. As a real estate agent recently told me, "If it ain't new and custom, they don't want it." The number of new houses being built seems to be out-pacing the number of older houses/condos/townhomes that are being bought, and I can only wonder where this skewed-market will lead.

Anyhow, as for the ethanol production, I just need an easy-to-acquire permit from the BATF to produce less than 10,000 gallons /yr. The number of gallons I produce would depend on which crop I plant and how high the yield per acre is. Corn is supposedly the best crop as far as gallons yielded per dollar and per acre. Soy is supposedly the best crop for biodiesel. Ethanol production would'nt be profitable enough to justify my time investment unless I could replace my income, and 10000 gallons/yr won't cut it. So I'd be producing ethanol or biodiesel strictly for personal reasons. (And the stills would't be near the house or anything flammable since yes, there is a slim chance that they could possibly explode.) The missing part of the equation for me is how do I convert the crop into a useful vegetable oil (for biodiesel) or into a mash for ethanol? Everything I've read online or in print tells you how to refine the oil or mash, but skips over that part of the equation.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the great advice - I don't have the benefit of 70 years worth of wisdom, so I need any advice that I can get - and look forward to reading more.



04/08/2008 - 06:32
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Hi Steve,

What a great topic I am enjoying reading all the posts. As for myself -

Current Dream: (apart from getting to the course) To move to the states and buy land in either Alaska possibly around Fairbanks or Minnesotta and build my own home. As I currently live in Perth Australia and only have 4 dogs but would like to have 20, this is pretty big. I am a dual national citizen so no problems with visa's etc.

Inspiration: My sport of choice is dogsledding and I participate socially over here and have entered a few very small competative races. I came over to the states a couple of years ago and was very blessed to stay with some good friends of mine and their dogs, to camp out with a multitude of mushers and their teams of Inuits, Mal's and Alaskans. I also got to attend the Alaskan Mushers Symposium in Fairbanks. I got to meet so many mushers of varing skills, abilities and achievements including the current champ. This of course has given me the idea to push the dream a little further and try living in the states to work dogs in snow myself. Of course having a dog team requires land of the size that neighbours are not likely to complain about noise etc and councils will allow, with good acess to training grounds. When I started real estate searching I kept coming across log cabins and then found this site.

Plans:
1. Attend the course
2. Prepare a full cost analaysis of the move, purchase prices for house/materials, land etc plus 3mths income on arrival and routine expenses in setting up a new house.
3. Locate and purchase land, materials / house. Requirements - Area where dogs are allowed in large numbers, suitable size land and layout for dogs and training areas, proximity to training trails, proximity to shops and employment,. Not so fussy on house, just needs to have a floor thats easy to vaccuum / mop away dog fur, is warm in winter and has a good kitchen incase I get visitors. Probably 2-3 bedrooms is fine. Initially may just have 1. Would like to have or start veggie garden so may need to build a sun room. The kennel area will also need some roofed sections for shelter I have some ides for indoor/outdoor kennel styles with runs, I prefer these to the chain style.
4. Income - Good thing there seem to be lots of Jobs I can do in Alaska. Gain job prior to moving.
5. Vaccinations for the Dogs and I.
6. Move - Trying to cull my belongings at the moment! Also working out the best method per cost of by sea, plane or spliting myself and dogs for the journey - my least fave option.
7. Either rent a house while building or move straight in - Depends on outcome of 3. May also move into smaller place on property while building. Buy a car.
8. Do a course on extreme cold survival / camping etc
9. Join a mushing club and make new social connections in the area through various other clubs and sports.
10. Get more dogs! Although I have handled over 3000 in the last 2 years and assisted 70 in finding new homes I think my maximum would be 20. This includes old and pups, plus working dogs. So far I have kept every dog thats come to me till it's death. I lost my 17yr old that I had from 6 weeks just before Xmas. The four I have now are 14-Malamute,10-DaneXMastiff,and two 4yr olds-MalxSibe and Irish TerrierxBorder Collie.

Ideas: A lot of ideas are coming from pictures and forums on this site, the Grass Roots and Earth Gardner Magazines and Sleddog central. It would be great though if anyone is/has been already in Alaska or the cold parts of Minnesotta and can give me more because I'm sure using solar power and compost toilets in Australia on a regular day are not as challenging as in a blizzard etc.

:)
Kimberley

ps Thanks to the person who posted about Anderson etc I checked it out but they have already given away those blocks. I think it would have been a great opportunity.



04/08/2008 - 12:29
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Kimberley

Kimberley wrote:
Hi Steve,

What a great topic I am enjoying reading all the posts. As for myself -

Current Dream: (apart from getting to the course) To move to the states and buy land in either Alaska possibly around Fairbanks or Minnesotta and build my own home. As I currently live in Perth Australia and only have 4 dogs but would like to have 20, this is pretty big. I am a dual national citizen so no problems with visa's etc.

Inspiration: My sport of choice is dogsledding and I participate socially over here and have entered a few very small competative races. I came over to the states a couple of years ago and was very blessed to stay with some good friends of mine and their dogs, to camp out with a multitude of mushers and their teams of Inuits, Mal's and Alaskans. I also got to attend the Alaskan Mushers Symposium in Fairbanks. I got to meet so many mushers of varing skills, abilities and achievements including the current champ. This of course has given me the idea to push the dream a little further and try living in the states to work dogs in snow myself. Of course having a dog team requires land of the size that neighbours are not likely to complain about noise etc and councils will allow, with good acess to training grounds. When I started real estate searching I kept coming across log cabins and then found this site.

Plans:
1. Attend the course
2. Prepare a full cost analaysis of the move, purchase prices for house/materials, land etc plus 3mths income on arrival and routine expenses in setting up a new house.
3. Locate and purchase land, materials / house. Requirements - Area where dogs are allowed in large numbers, suitable size land and layout for dogs and training areas, proximity to training trails, proximity to shops and employment,. Not so fussy on house, just needs to have a floor thats easy to vaccuum / mop away dog fur, is warm in winter and has a good kitchen incase I get visitors. Probably 2-3 bedrooms is fine. Initially may just have 1. Would like to have or start veggie garden so may need to build a sun room. The kennel area will also need some roofed sections for shelter I have some ides for indoor/outdoor kennel styles with runs, I prefer these to the chain style.
4. Income - Good thing there seem to be lots of Jobs I can do in Alaska. Gain job prior to moving.
5. Vaccinations for the Dogs and I.
6. Move - Trying to cull my belongings at the moment! Also working out the best method per cost of by sea, plane or spliting myself and dogs for the journey - my least fave option.
7. Either rent a house while building or move straight in - Depends on outcome of 3. May also move into smaller place on property while building. Buy a car.
8. Do a course on extreme cold survival / camping etc
9. Join a mushing club and make new social connections in the area through various other clubs and sports.
10. Get more dogs! Although I have handled over 3000 in the last 2 years and assisted 70 in finding new homes I think my maximum would be 20. This includes old and pups, plus working dogs. So far I have kept every dog thats come to me till it's death. I lost my 17yr old that I had from 6 weeks just before Xmas. The four I have now are 14-Malamute,10-DaneXMastiff,and two 4yr olds-MalxSibe and Irish TerrierxBorder Collie.

Ideas: A lot of ideas are coming from pictures and forums on this site, the Grass Roots and Earth Gardner Magazines and Sleddog central. It would be great though if anyone is/has been already in Alaska or the cold parts of Minnesotta and can give me more because I'm sure using solar power and compost toilets in Australia on a regular day are not as challenging as in a blizzard etc.

:)
Kimberley

ps Thanks to the person who posted about Anderson etc I checked it out but they have already given away those blocks. I think it would have been a great opportunity.

I'm not sure what you're looking for but i happen to live in Minnesota.
I've lived here all 28 years of my life, so i guess i know some stuff about it.
Please feel free to e-mail me if you like... shannonsward@msn.com.
Love the plans!

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04/08/2008 - 23:42
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Thanks Shannon, Will email

Thanks Shannon,
Will email you soon
:)
K



08/31/2008 - 03:57
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Update to my Dreams and Ideas post

Just a quick update to let you know what action I've taken in achieving the above:

Current Dream:
I have now moved to Minnesota USA and scored a job as a Dog Handler / Musher in training. I brought 2 of my dogs with me to work, the kennel has 14 working dogs plus 2 house dogs. I have been here 2 weeks now.

Inspiration:
Tonight I watched the Alone in the Wilderness video about the guy who built his own cabin and then lived there until he was 82!

Plans:
1. Attend the course - Still planned but first I have to find out when its on and I'm free from work tasks. Should be able to work this out shortly.

2. To give you a basic idea moving with dogs is expensive, to leave Perth and Arrive in Minnesota before I replace what I sold or gave away has cost me a years wages. I think its worth it to take the chance though.

3. Still similar but getting more specific as I see what other people have that works well.

4. Income - Have the mushing job plus my craft works to set up.

5. Vaccinations - those rabies shots really hurt!!

6. Move - i arrived with 2 suitcases, 2 dogs and a box of warm winter clothes oh and a digeridoo that i had to check in as a 3rd bag on all 3 flights.

7. Either rent a house while building or move straight in - have a live in job.

8. Do a course on extreme cold survival / camping etc - am booked into Wilderness First Aid cse but will get lots of on the job training too.

9. Join a mushing club and make new social connections in the area through various other clubs and sports.**Haven't done this yet**

10. Get more dogs! LOL I'm not ready to do this yet but if I count the dogs I'm now working with, Bingo :)

Ideas: Would like to hear more from locals.

:)
Kimberley



08/31/2008 - 12:10
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Wow! It's one thing to say

Wow! It's one thing to say it, but it's a whole other thing to do it. Way to go on the big leap. I'll say you're tougher than me. I can't take those long, cold Winters!

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08/31/2008 - 14:05
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American or Aussie?

Hi Kimberly. Congratulations on your successful move. Are you American returning to the States or are you Aussie emigrating? If you're native Australian, it easy for Aussies to just move to the States? I'm curious because there is so much stink here these days about foreigners coming to live here, it's become such a political hot point. Don't worry, I'm not going to criticize or anything, I'm just wondering what you had to go through in the legal department...you know, Visas, applications and stuff like that.

I commend you for the courage to make such a move. I once knew a young man in San Francisco who decided to sell everything and move to New York City. All his California friends thought he was nuts but I told him that if he didn't do it now, he would never do it. He went, and I lost track of him over time, but the last time we spoke, he was talking about going to London. I bet he did it too.

P.S. Ooops...I just saw in your previous post that you are a dual citizen! Guess that nullifies my question! Well, it would have been interesting anyway. The reason I guess I was curious was because before I bought my property in NY state, I was looking everywhere for land, even Canada, and I was exploring what it would require for an American to buy land up there (or in Mexico, the other place I was looking.)



08/31/2008 - 16:56
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spiralsands wrote:
I'm curious because there is so much stink here these days about foreigners coming to live here, it's become such a political hot point.

Only a stink with the undocumented ones who are willing to work for a few bucks a day, taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by citizens, don't pay taxes, put a drain on our educational and health care systems, and send money back to their own country, further eroding the economy. Don't get me wrong. Anyone coming here legally, I welcome with open arms. But what I really can't stand is the media portraying the evil INS coming in and destroying families and, as they always like to say, ". . . treated us like criminals."

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . . . . .

(I know this is off-subject and slated for Ellsworth's smack-down, but it poked a nerve)

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08/31/2008 - 20:53
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Nerves

rreidnauer wrote:
spiralsands wrote:
I'm curious because there is so much stink here these days about foreigners coming to live here, it's become such a political hot point.

Only a stink with the undocumented ones who are willing to work for a few bucks a day, taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by citizens, don't pay taxes, put a drain on our educational and health care systems, and send money back to their own country, further eroding the economy. Don't get me wrong. Anyone coming here legally, I welcome with open arms. But what I really can't stand is the media portraying the evil INS coming in and destroying families and, as they always like to say, ". . . treated us like criminals."

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . . . . .

(I know this is off-subject and slated for Ellsworth's smack-down, but it poked a nerve)

I have that same nerve in me. Gets poked ALL the freaking time.
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08/31/2008 - 21:10
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re quack quack

I'm curious because there is so much stink here these days about foreigners coming to live here, it's become such a political hot point.

Only a stink with the undocumented ones who are willing to work for a few bucks a day, taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by citizens, don't pay taxes, put a drain on our educational and health care systems, and send money back to their own country, further eroding the economy. Don't get me wrong. Anyone coming here legally, I welcome with open arms. But what I really can't stand is the media portraying the evil INS coming in and destroying families and, as they always like to say, ". . . treated us like criminals."

its funny, I keep remembering the native americans complaining about that too, something about "manifest destiny" or something.....I cant remember, it was over 300 years ago.....

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08/31/2008 - 21:12
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Off topic: illegal immigration

Hey guys, seriously off topic.

I think illegal immigration falls under the political hot potato umbrella of "things that are best left off the forum."

 



09/01/2008 - 14:38
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Hey I didn't start it.

I just wanted to know how she did it because I was interested in some properties in Canada and Mexico and wasn't sure how people crossed borders to live and purchase land. I wasn't going to reply to the hot point because I'm just not interested in discussing that stuff when someone has to take stuff out of context and go all ape over it. I realized again today after looking at the recent post list that some people thrive on conflict regardless of the previous tone of a discussion.

People cross borders all over the world. Alot of Americans are going to Costa Rica. I just wanna know how.

Frances



09/01/2008 - 16:41
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rckclmbr428 wrote:

its funny, I keep remembering the native americans complaining about that too, something about "manifest destiny" or something.....I cant remember, it was over 300 years ago.....

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Maybe I am taking this wrong and correct me if so but I don't think its funny at all. I think the situation that you speak of was very different than todays immigrants. The immigrants (white settlers) came here and commited genocide against the the redman, tortured them, stole the children and took all the land.

Kola

btw, I look forward to addressing the REAL topic of the thread at a later time. I am cruising through a town and picked upsome free wiffy (WiFi).

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positive stuff

OK, I really like how this thread started out, so I'll put it back on track!

Here are our dreams & goals:

1. work weekends to build 14x14 shed (with loft for sleeping & room to store tools & supplies)

2. continue working weekends to build a full size home on our property

3. have kid(s), (I'm 37, wish me luck)

4. sell our house in suburbia and take the equity & run!

5. build a 2nd house on an adjacent lot to our property, hopefully make a large profit :)

6. retire & raise our kids full time (or build a 3rd house if necessary & wash, rinse, repeat)

Doesn't that sound great? Now I hope We can just do it all. Step 1 is well on it's way. We just finished peeling all the logs yesterday for our tool shed. Next week we will start building the pier forms and get cement! We have some rebar already, and will collect a few more materials along the way.

2 cents :)

PS-- seriously thinking about putting step 4 before step 2, but just got our first basement quote for the first house and it's way high.... may have to work longer... dammit!!! Definitely going to get a couple more quotes...!!

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It's log, log.... It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's log, log.... It's better than bad, it's good!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimpy's_Big_Day



09/02/2008 - 19:05
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dreams ideas and goals

build my loghome

have a greenhouse, raise poulty and livestock and hunt game.

create a circle of friends to barter and trade with.

have kids

have solar power and zero utilitiy bills.

be self sufficient to the max. (can/jar, sew, eat clean foods)

live in harmony with all things and creatures.

create a new peaceful world.

Kola

sidenote: I use the term "wiffy' for WiFi. I found a small chicken wing restaurant that had a big banner outside that said "Free Wifi". I was sitting down and a old man came in and sais "I'll have an order of the free wiffy please."

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"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither"
quote by Ben Franklin

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/kirkdc/Picture176.jpg
My home:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/kola58/d273.jpg