Dave, this is from the other thread. I like to get things out in the open and address them face to face instead of throwing out generalities that quite often get misunderstood and misdirected. Take it for whats its worth. Thanks. below is the original link:.
from: http://www.loghomebuilders.org/introduce-yourself?page=7

this here is edited a bit:
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Gamma quote: Kola, you haven't offended me with your actual positions. Actual positions rarely offend me - certainly don't expect everyone to be as jaded and cynical as me. The only thing that offends me is the guy in the left lane who drives the speed limit and never gets out of the way, because he's not persecuting me for my beliefs - he's just clueless, and that's really offensive to me.
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That is good. I am glad. Let me assure I am far from the slow guy in the fast lane. I honestly admit that I do enjoy playing the simple-minded-chuckleheaded- redneck though. Although I have not built my loghome I would never offer advice to someone which would be potentially harmful. My suggestion to Snyderman about drilling pilotholes (which seemed to upset you Dave) was safe and sound advice. I also believe Ellsworth and Steve (and Rock engineer) do a great job of overseeing the posts that are presented here. I have been a carpenter, a heavy equipment mechanic and have tackled several large remodeling projects, not to mention I have majored in physics, graduated pre-med and went on to get my doctorates degree in chiropractic. (yeah I know, I am not a REAL doctor but I didn't want to be one of "them". Anyway, the medical profession does not accept outlaw rebels and their style of service just ain't up my alley. No surprises there huh?
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Gamma quote :I frequent political sites almost as much as LHBA and voice my opinions there. This forum and the subsequent access to the members section is designated for a neutral topic of log home building for the home owner (though I'm sure some would argue log home building is anything but neutral) . I happen to believe it should be dedicated to the preservation and progress of that.
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I agree with you and there are those times when things gets overlapped which sometimes introduces bureaucratic/political opinions. I do not think we can completely eliminate them but I believe you are correct and that we can put on the brakes before going overboard with our(my) views. As I have said several times in the past, discussing politics and religion will surely sound the battle drums and it will be uglier than a pitbull on a porkchop.
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Gamma quote:If it seems like you have offended me it because I was being more antagonistic than anything. My family and wife will tell you I'm very good at that.
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Yeah, likewise Gamma.
I sometimes forget to respect other people choices and decisions. Every now and then I need a smack upside the noggin.,,and honestly it usually feels good......um, afterwards!........after the swelling goes down.....and the bleeding stops...and the med bills are paid. LOL.
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I think if anyone else was going to comment on this subject (the regs) they had time by now, so I hope we can dust this off and move on to better things. I dislike drama anyways. :)

Gamma, good luck and I hope there are no hard feelings between us,
Kola
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Dave, I welcome your opinions, either here or send via email. If not, hopefully LHBA will get some ignore buttons. Until then, just skip over my posts and do not read them. Thanks, and my apologies, again.
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somewhat of a wacko but I have built plenty of diddley,
Kola

I will often post a "guess" (since I really don't know crap, having not actually built my home yet). Sometimes I do this, however, because new THREADS don't show up on the handy "new post" frame on the right. And often new threads sit without being answered. Also, the "new post" indicators when looking at the forum list doesn't work dependably easier. So we get new people posting, and no one answering. So I answer them as best as I can so they don't think we are an inactive forum or worse, that we don't give a crap about them or their questions.

Dave quote: I believe this forum to be an important aid to my log home construction ...
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As it is for everybody who is building one or even thinking about building one. But remember Dave, there are other topics here in the forum that are open to discussion. (ie self sufficiency, introduce yourself, land 4 sale, etc). .

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quote: Improper construction can or may lead to failures... which will make it harder for all log home builders in general...

I agree, Dave. Has there ever been a time where someone in the forum offered advice which later resulted in an injury or some type of failure? If more than anything, I believe everyone is more overly-cautious.

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quote: I have saved time and money by using the ideas on this forum. Hence, I want this forum too be as good as it can be...
Hence, I try to give a reference. I try to be careful. For example, I don't post just to agree, or to be cute, or to disagree, or to do multiple posts back to back...

It is advantagous that you are so helpful and I think we all appreciate that Dave. On the other hand some of us like to post to just plain "agree" and some of us like to be "cute". Is that so wrong and such a disturbance to you? Some of us disagree not for the sake of argument but to maybe shed some light and see things differently. I beleive there is much to gain from questioning other peoples opinions and it doesn't have to be callous or rude, anf often becomes enlightening. Some folks like to post "back to back" and I see no harm in it. All these things you dislike, Dave, are just other people communicating. Some people enjoy laughing and kidding around and posting a funny picture. Is that a crime? So what if I post just to agree with someone or post to cheer someone on, when they are dead tired from trying to hang rafters? The people in this forum are just living, man...and some like to share their days events, announce a new baby or brag about thie son. What harm is there in communicating a bit outside "loghomes"? Many of the folks here become friends for life and we share the same thoughts and ideas, so we enjoy mixing it up a bit. I do not think any of us go off the deep end and carry too far off the forum topics..and if so, Ellsworth or Steve step in. I think they do a great job in keeping this forum mellow. I do not think the forum rules restrict someone from saying hi to someone or from making a joke or two...or postin 3 times in one day.. or talking about canning pears or mentioning their favorite dog. Life is short. I'm just livin, man.

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quote:If I can't cogently ADD to the subject I don't post... I know the lack of PM's have added to messages, and I have accepted this as necessary....

And you have a right to do whatever you choose and I respect that. OTOH peope have a right to post their thoughts as well.. and you have a choice to read them or skip over them. No one is forcing you to read my posts or any others. If I have been (or anyone else) posting outside the bounds of the forum rules I am sure Elllsworth would address the issues at hand and I would gladly honor his demands. This is a discussion forum, Dave, with lots of mixed folks with lots of ideas and thoughts being shared. I think people have a choice to post what they feel and they should be able to express themselves. No one is getting hurt because of it and nobodys loghome has collasped because of someones advice.
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quote: I have been an active member of this forum since day one... I post an average once a week... Some post tons of trivial tripe too many times a day...

I do not think there is a limit to the amount of posts per day and just because you post once a day does not mean that is the law to follow. Your complaint of "too many posts" and trivial tripe" is only your opinion. Although respected, I tend to find fault with your selfishness. It may be annoying to you but others seem to enjoy some of the conversations that go on here. Just because you do not approve does not make it wrong. Like I mentioned before, avoid reading it. Most posts are titled, and they have the posters name at the top. This would be your first clue to avoid reading it and skip over it. If it's listed in the "self suffiecient" catagory, skip it. It's pretty simple.

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quote:I would like to block certain individuals - whom ever they are - because I don't need to see their posts... From what others have said to me, others would like this option as well...

Yes, you have mentioned that. Can't you "block' them(me) by just not reading it? And yes, I am sure there are others that would like to have an ignore button. In the meantime, why not just skip over it? I am not sure why you are so concernend about a forum feature (ignore button) when all you have to do is not read it. I can only assume you are venting in frustration because the forum is not operating to your personal likings.
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Dave, there is a wide group of folks here that post. I like the diversity. I enjoy the site for its building issues and the family type setting. It is a great group of folks. There are some of us that clash (that's life) whether it be a personality issue, religion, politics or whatever but everyone seems to get along quite well in spite of the differences. This is my first experience of someone being upset about how the forum is run.

Dave, you choose to post a certain way. I respect that and I appreciate your contributions.
Others choose to post differently, (although not to your personal liking) but they should be respected as well.
You have a choice to read the posts or skip the posts...but I do not think you have a right to tell others what to post or how often to post.

life is too short,
Kola

This is not merely a forum for the exchange of information and ideas. It's also a community. A place where like-minded people can not only share useful information, but a bit of themselves, and perhaps make a friend or two. That may take the form of a joke, encouragement of someone's progress, or even the occasional off-topic opinion. Of course there are always different personalities among different folks in a community, and not everyone is going to "like" everyone else.

That's where either tolerance or ignore buttons come in handy. In all my years of forum activity, I've never used an ignore feature, but that was my choice. Choice is good though. So I don't see why an ignore feature shouldn't be added shouldn't be added here.

Klapton you are correct, this is a community.
And every village deserves an ....
Dave

Wow!! That was pretty low don't ya think. There's room for everyone on this board and if you don't like reading someones posts, don't read them. Me thinks you take yourself a little too seriously.

Can't we all just get along???