Sat, 2010-07-31 17:17 — jbeall
Hi All,
Is anyone here familiar with Sunward Solar Hot Water? It's a solar hot water system. Sounds interesting, it's the cheapest "packaged" solar hot water system I'm aware of (but maybe there are others I don't know of).
It's way more expensive than a standard hot water heater, but if it works, it may pay for itself over the long term... anybody here have experience with Sunward, or another solar hot water system?
Thanks!
-Josh

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Solar hot water
What seems common (and counter-intuitive?) with renewable energy "packages" is, they are always expensive. You can almost always do better sourcing the individual components yourself. (I guess you are paying a "convenience" premium for "packages") Second, these are flat-plate collectors. I don't recommend them, especially if you live anywhere there is less the 98% sunny skies. They suffer from two problems which reduce their efficiency. First problem, the flat glass front. Almost every photo on their website reflects the problem, literally!!! Notice the glare on the panels. That is reflected light that never gets collected. It's not bad if the sun is directly in front of the panel, but as angle increases, energy absorption decreases exponentially. Second problem, the collector itself. It's just black tubing under glass. The problem occurs when a cloud or any form of shadow reduces light input. Heat energy of the fluid being pumped through the panels is actually radiated back out of the panel. There are supposed coatings to help reduce this from happening, but it can't be avoided. Essentially, when a cloud passes by, you go negative production.
I strongly recommend evacuated tube collectors. They suffer neither of the problems of flat-plate collectors, as they are able to collect energy at an angle as efficiently as if directly forward, and being that they are vaccuum tubes, heat energy can't be released back when shaded. (that, and the fact that the fluid never enters the collector tubes to start with) Efficiency all around is higher. Though be warned! Fluid MUST be continuously circulated though evacuated tube collectors while exposed to sunlight. Due to the nature of their design, stagnation temperatures can exceed 400F.
The rest of their system is basically the same as my own I'm putting together. So parts and costs. What do you need and what is it going to cost? Well, this is a breakdown of what I have.
And, what I still need:
Solar hot water?
Hey Rod, sorry in advance for these stupid questions, I am totally ignorant on the subject of solar hot water. Is it realistic to use solar heated water in a radiant heating system? Also how do you address freezing in the winter? Thanks
The only dumb question . . .
. . . . is the one not asked.
Yes, you can do solar hot water home heating. It just takes more panels and more storage tank volume. I think when I was calculating how many panels would be needed for home heating alone, I came up with 12 of the type I bought, for my 1,800 sq.ft. home. (I didn't even calculate tank volume since it was already too pricey for me to further consider)
Freezing concerns are handled in one of two ways. You can either do a "drain-back" system, where water is pumped up to the collector, but pipes are pitched back to a vented storage tank indoors, so when the pump stops, all water drains out of the system and back to the tank. It has two drawbacks. First, you need to run your temperature sensor wires all the way out to the collector(s) to tell the system when it should start pumping. This can also cause some erratic cycling of the pump during the night to day transition. Second issue, you need more powerful pumps to lift the water to the height of the top of the collectors and still maintaining sufficient flow.
The second type is a closed loop, heat exchanger system. In this system, there is a separate loop that goes from the collector(s) and a heat exchanger located near the storage tank. This loop is filled with a non-toxic glycol solution, so it never freezes. The other loop goes from your storage tank, to the heat exchanger. Here, you don't have those problems mentioned earlier. Because the loops are filled completely, there is no head pressure. (fluid pumped up is balanced by fluid returning back) and small pumps can be used. Also, because the glycol loop can be pumped continuously, (as long as the sun is shining on the solar panel) you can place your temperature sensors right at the heat exchanger. Then only the tank loop gets switched on and off (by the temperature differential controller) whenever the collector loop is hotter than the tank temperature.
The second is the system I prefer. It can easily be powered by one small photovoltaic panel, and is completely self-contained, fully automated, and nearly maintenance-free. (change glycol annually/biennially)
Here's basically what I'm doing: